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OU812

2/3/2010 2:50:21 PM
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Policing Question

Yesterday in Brandon's East end just off of Victoria I saw the RM of Cornwallis policeman sitting in his red Chevy Tahoe (unmarked) taking radar of people going down Victoria Avenue east. He was there for over an hour but I did not see him pull anyone over.  
 
Does he have the authority to pull people over within the city and give them tickets just like BPS does? I am just curious.

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wondering

2/3/2010 2:56:29 PM
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I do believe

that Victoria, 18th, 1st and Richmond are the only roads he can be on as they are government roads. The guy is ruthless and sneeky, got to watch for him

P-Man

2/3/2010 2:58:31 PM
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Trans Canada west

Yes he is ruthless. He likes to sit by the tracks between kemnay and alexander. He got me there once for $440 when I was going to a funeral and was late.

Limbo

2/3/2010 3:10:38 PM
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:)

He is a retired officer, hired by the RM to enforce bylaws and presumably to generate revenue. The income he brings in from tickets pays for his salary and puts extra money into the community.  
 
Don't speed and you won't dislike him so much!

Rix

2/3/2010 3:22:56 PM
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...

I thought that only peace officers had authority to pull people over on the highway.  
 
I know that a lot of the Cornwallis tickets were quashed before, but never heard why....

Rix

2/3/2010 3:34:45 PM
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Traffic Act...

How is pulling people over for speeding on the Trans-Canada enforcing a by-law? It's a Traffic Act violation, not a municipal by-law....

Limbo

2/3/2010 3:36:47 PM
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RM of Whitehead Police

The police officer is a 32 year veteran of the RCMP and now works part time. He does have the authority to pull vehicles over, and if it is a criminal issue he calls the RCMP and assists them.

Oryx

2/3/2010 3:41:44 PM
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He

is a police officer, he can enforce the laws just like any other officer. Ive seen him out on Vic east and he gave me a ticket back in the day. Also, I dont recommend anyone try to argue his tickets in court, he knows his stuff!!

wondering

2/3/2010 3:42:35 PM
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I am

not sure if it is just the RM of Whitehead, but could be. Is Brandon in the RM of Whitehead, if not, then I don't believe he should be in Brandon. If Brandon is in the RM of Whitehead, then he can be in here, but only on Richmond, Victoria, 18th Street and 1st Street  
as these belong to the Government, where the remaining streets belong to the City of Brandon.  
 

Rix

2/3/2010 8:40:38 PM
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...

  
gocougars said "The police officer is a 32 year veteran of the RCMP and now works part time. He does have the authority to pull vehicles over, and if it is a criminal issue he calls the RCMP and assists them. "

It just seems strange to me....  
 
The way you worded that makes it seem to me like he is merely borrowing the RCMP's authority.  
 
I'm not saying that he is anything other than a sterling individual who does his job impeccably. I honestly have no way of knowing otherwise.  
 
I'm just concerned that someone will see what looks like just another SUV and do something really stupid and dangerous thinking that it's not a police officer at all....

Limbo

2/3/2010 9:01:17 PM
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sorry

I have nothing to do with the police or the rcmp, I was just stating what I know. It is a clearly marked SUV, not a ghost vehicle. If you are that concerned about him when you get pulled over, then call the local police and tell them you are afraid.

Oryx

2/3/2010 9:07:45 PM
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what the??

  
gocougars said "I have nothing to do with the police or the rcmp, I was just stating what I know. It is a clearly marked SUV, not a ghost vehicle. If you are that concerned about him when you get pulled over, then call the local police and tell them you are afraid. "

since Ive been pulled over by him, I can tell you that he has a marked vehicle, but it isn't the normal black or white police car. He is a SWORN officer in Manitoba, therefore he is a police officer and has a job to do.

Rix

2/3/2010 9:12:50 PM
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...

  
gocougars said "I have nothing to do with the police or the rcmp, I was just stating what I know. It is a clearly marked SUV, not a ghost vehicle. If you are that concerned about him when you get pulled over, then call the local police and tell them you are afraid. "

I recognize the vehicle now and would pull over with no hesitation.  
 
I'm sure if someone decides to run that he'd be able to handle it. Hopefully it doesn't happen.  
 
In my opinion the SUV isn't that clearly marked, though. I only noticed a small decal on the rear window, one that could be made at home if one desired....  
 

Limbo

2/3/2010 9:12:53 PM
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was sarcasm

No it's not a regular police vehicle, it is burgandy with a decal on the side. I was just saying that it doesn't look like any ordinary SUV. I think it's silly that people are questioning this officer's right to pull them over.

Robert

2/3/2010 9:15:02 PM
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what right

does this guy have to go flying down Vic avenue with his lights blasting if he is from the RM of whitehead as indicated on his suv.( to the best of my knowledge.. not standard police lights either) This RM is west of brandon. If he is allowed inside the city limits then I would assume that RM of cornwallis could also be inside the limits as they do indeed have pieces directly connected to the city.Does this also give the right to any other mmunicipality cop? I am sure that he could find enough people , trucks etc to ticket in his own RM if only he was there doing the job for the municipality he was hired to protect!

MaxRoy

2/3/2010 9:18:40 PM
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...

any peace officer can give you a ticket where ever he/she sees fit, a DOP (dakota ojibway police) officer "can" give you a ticket within the city of brandon if the person deems nessasary.  
 
the only thing that stops an RCMP from giving you a ticket within the city of brandon is respect towards the BPS in that they don't want to disrespect them making it look like they're not doing there job.  
 
this is what i was told by a police officer, whether it is true or was just told to me to get me to slow down i'm unsure.

Limbo

2/3/2010 9:23:55 PM
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personally

I would never complain about a sworn officer from outside the city limits helping out. Usually people complain there isn't enough police presence!  
 
Hypothetically speaking, if he pulled a vehicle over in Kemnay and discovered they were transporting illegal substances.. should he pursue them only to the city limits and then slam on his brakes?

Rix

2/3/2010 9:27:47 PM
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Yes...

  
MaxRoy said "any peace officer can give you a ticket where ever he/she sees fit, a DOP (dakota ojibway police) officer "can" give you a ticket within the city of brandon if the person deems nessasary.  
 
the only thing that stops an RCMP from giving you a ticket within the city of brandon is respect towards the BPS in that they don't want to disrespect them making it look like they're not doing there job.  
 
this is what i was told by a police officer, whether it is true or was just told to me to get me to slow down i'm unsure. "

That is my understanding as well, as long as they are peace officers....

wondering

2/3/2010 10:24:38 PM
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Since

the speeding tickets went up, there is a larger volume of vehicle passing him in a hour in Brandon, than on the highway, thus more chances of giving tickets, thus more money for the RM of Whitehead. I think the reason for the vehicle type is that it doesn't stand out, therefore he has a betting chance of catching someone. Like another poster said, the RCMP stay out of Brandon, due to respect for the BPS, and he should as well

Doug

2/3/2010 11:55:20 PM
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Yep

  
jumpy said "the speeding tickets went up, there is a larger volume of vehicle passing him in a hour in Brandon, than on the highway, thus more chances of giving tickets, thus more money for the RM of Whitehead. I think the reason for the vehicle type is that it doesn't stand out, therefore he has a betting chance of catching someone. Like another poster said, the RCMP stay out of Brandon, due to respect for the BPS, and he should as well "

Yes "stealth" or ghost car no matter what ever works. A speeder is a speeder. There is official police car in reality. Yes in Brandon our cruiser are all painted the same( or soon will be). The vehicles range.  
 
I am of two minds on that last line though jumpy. To avoid confusion it does make sense for him to stay out of Brandon. Yet the people are speeding and the city boys ignore it. If this was a radar trap then we have a real issue.  
 
Maybe photo radar - ticket would show up in the mail and he could retire! LOL

Jeff_2008

2/4/2010 12:07:45 AM
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well

to answer everyone's question. Yes he can pull people over and yes he is still a peace officer. Yes that suv is a police car with lights. Don't speed and i am sure everything will be fine. Not to sure why people cry when they get a ticket. they broke the law and speeding is not a by-law it is set by the gov of manitoba. don't like the speeds they vote for the other guy next time.

Reality Police

2/4/2010 12:10:17 AM
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Good for him!

I tip my hat to that officer who is out doing his job (more than a lot of people these days). For those who whine that the cops do nothing on the salary the taxpayers so graciously provide I laugh at you!

Opinionated

2/4/2010 7:00:43 AM
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Glad you were caught!

  
P-Man said "Yes he is ruthless. He likes to sit by the tracks between kemnay and alexander. He got me there once for $440 when I was going to a funeral and was late. "

A ticket that high means you weren't just going 10 over the speed limit and you more than deserved the ticket. I hope you didn't add that last part, about being late for a funeral, as a means to justify speeding, because it certainly doesn't. It does show your not responsible enough to be on time though. Just glad you were caught before causing someone elses funeral!

wondering

2/4/2010 8:28:08 AM
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I don't think

  
Doug said "
  
jumpy said "the speeding tickets went up, there is a larger volume of vehicle passing him in a hour in Brandon, than on the highway, thus more chances of giving tickets, thus more money for the RM of Whitehead. I think the reason for the vehicle type is that it doesn't stand out, therefore he has a betting chance of catching someone. Like another poster said, the RCMP stay out of Brandon, due to respect for the BPS, and he should as well "

Yes "stealth" or ghost car no matter what ever works. A speeder is a speeder. There is official police car in reality. Yes in Brandon our cruiser are all painted the same( or soon will be). The vehicles range.  
 
I am of two minds on that last line though jumpy. To avoid confusion it does make sense for him to stay out of Brandon. Yet the people are speeding and the city boys ignore it. If this was a radar trap then we have a real issue.  
 
Maybe photo radar - ticket would show up in the mail and he could retire! LOL "

that BPS are ignoring it, as I seen 3 marked cars hidding with radar guns out the window. With the new pricing, they all will be wanting you to get caught

qc5

2/4/2010 6:44:05 PM
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Policing

WOW - all this concern about a single law enforcement vehicle and the driver.  
 
You know - if people paid half as much attention to suspicious persons, criminal activity and bad drivers and reported them to the police - like good canadian citizens should do - then our streets and homes would be much safer.  
 
Well - I will try to answer all the questions the concerned persons have... about me sitting on hurles parking lot at 3 PM - having a coffee for 25 minutes ( not an hour ) waiting to meet people from winnipeg to escort them to a business that they were unfamiliar with ( not running radar - for those with quilty minds who slowed down upon seeing me  
 
- I was with the RCMP for 32 years - spent 28 yrs dedicated to traffic enforcement - attempting to save your life on the streets and roads in our province. I'm presently employed by the RM of Whitehead, and have provincial appointment as a peace officer - which means if I was in churchill - I could give a ticket out there. I operate a red Tahoe - which is a high speed police special edition ( so its a police vehicle) and last time I looked BPS, WPS, RCMP, and many other police forces have marked, unmarked, ghost, and clean roof vehicles (marked vehicle without roof lights) of "any color".  
 
The lights I use are the same as used by RCMP, BPS, WPS - they are emergency vehicle lights. Do I give out tickets in Brandon - YES - to those dangerous drivers who run stop signs and red lights and high speeders. Am I ruthless - only if you get caught by me... and If I stop you then you are really dangerous - because my tolerance for stopping speeders is 1.5 times higher than the RCMP.  
 
If I write a ticket in Brandon the fine goes to the city of Brandon, not the RM OF WHITEHEAD - so the only reason I might stop you in the city of Brandon is because your a bad driver  
 
Well I hope that answers most questions - If anyone has other questions - please feel free to contact me at 729-5498 Thanx  

The Real Mike

2/4/2010 7:11:27 PM
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Thank you very much for the post ... it is great to have some information first hand!!  
 
And thank you for what you do, even though it quite often goes unnoticed!

Katt

2/4/2010 8:35:26 PM
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Hats off to you...

qc5...I thank you for the great job you are doing keeping us safe on the road!

Browney

2/4/2010 9:01:38 PM
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Sorry officer (qc5) but I would say it is Maroon not red!!

Lo

2/4/2010 10:37:56 PM
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HI

I wanted to ask one question..when you Radar people do you mail out tickets?  
 
If not will they ever have that here in brandon?

Lo

2/4/2010 10:39:57 PM
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Edited by Lo, 2010-02-04 22:41:07

 
 
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