Seems a bit harsh and bordering on paranoid, kicking people out of the community because of their race... in 2010?  
 
According to the story, they even frown upon interracial marriages.  
 
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/life/Mohawks+asking+natives+leave+Quebec+reserve/2514332/story.html

This is just a flame war waiting to happen.

Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, it looks like they have a legal ground to stand on. It will be interesting to see how this issue progresses

They've done it before.  
The guy pretty much sums it up with this paragraph:  
"We are very concerned about protecting our identity because at a certain point, the Canadian government will look at us and say: 'You are not even Indians,'" Delaronde said. "We are very proud of our heritage and protective about it."  
What happens when they 'are not even Indians'? Goodbye meal ticket, goodbye endless roadblocks, goodbye huge smuggling operation that everyone knows goes on there yet do nothing about. It seems that heritage is secondary to status.  
Pretty funny how they can ever cry "racism" when they pull stunts like this, too.  
 
 
Edited by Sumwun, 2010-02-02 21:07:59

Many Native leaders want "UN human rights" forced on the reserves while picking and choosing the ones they want enforced. The want big city services like CFS and hospitals to be equal across the land. Yet infringe on other decisions they clam up.  
 
At Present it is one sided When a male Native marries a non Native all is well. If the opposite happens all her rights to a home etc seem to go poof.  
 
If they apply this no "outsiders" allowed to both male and female when they marry date outsiders-- I have no problems with that. It is a community choice but as it it sits now it is a very one sided decision and someone needs to speak up on the unfairness of it all.  
 

Seems to me like its legalized racism, craziness! I'm really surprised that ANY people group could get away with behaviour like that.

I'd say there's no need to treat people this way. It sucks for both sides, how would the Natives like it if they got kicked off the reserve? Or how would they like it if nobody likes them for this?  
 
I'm Native, but I'm not gonna defend this prosecution. It's unnecessary, inconvenient, and unlawful in my opinion. Yes, unlawful.  
 
100% ignorant.

Tabagie means dirty Indian. Pronounced, "TAH-BOGEE."  
 
Why would they put this on a advertisement? Do they realize how offended I'd be to work at a place with that name?

Tabagie means tobacco in french - in a broader sense it also means "nicotine addiction" ...  
 
One CAN NOT infer a meaning for a word from a different cultural, linguistic or even geographic area.  
 
In the First Nation where I lived for a time the word for Grizzly Bear was nun ... there is a BIG difference between a member of that community using the word nun, and someone in Montreal ...  
 
Just because a word means 'x' in one language doesn't give it the same meaning in another ...  
 

Touchy subject  
 
On one hand Im opposed to any group that concerns itself with racial purity  
 
on the other, cant blame them for thinking "the man" is gonna take away their status  
 
actually the behaviour of the mohawks in quebec has always irked me a bit, especially when they resort to armed barracades to acheive their goals  
 
but i guess really since they started banning non-natives from living on the reserve and kicking their own people out for marrying non-natives almost 30 years ago theres not much anyone can do about it  
 
Its too bad that in order to stand up to the Mohawk leadership (for any member that feels they should be allowed to marry whomever they please) they would have to leave their home and loose alot of the benefits of living on the reserve  
 
i hope theres enough people on the reserve that have a problem with this to make a difference.  
 
No amount of pressure from the outside is going to change their mind, it has to be their own people that wamt tp make the change, and give up this hitler-esque quest for racial purity, anyone elses suggestion is likely to invoke a strong aggressive response  
 
Your Friendly Expecting to get flamed neighbourhood Kooblah

never ceases to amaze me with the Mohawks is how they seem to have the attitude that they're above the law, can do as they please.  
These Mohawk Supremacists can say & do what they please and if anyone dare say anything to the contrary, they dawn their handkerchiefs & start blocking roads, crying racism.  
 
Bunch of thugs.  
 
I hope their own people that they're doing this to start crying racism, since it seems that they're the only ones allowed to use that word.

Damage Inc. said "never ceases to amaze me with the Mohawks is how they seem to have the attitude that they're above the law, can do as they please.   These Mohawk Supremacists can say & do what they please and if anyone dare say anything to the contrary, they dawn their handkerchiefs & start blocking roads, crying racism.     Bunch of thugs.     I hope their own people that they're doing this to start crying racism, since it seems that they're the only ones allowed to use that word. "

Compare the children of two different types of parents.  
One set of parents lets their kids talk back, throw tantrums, not do chores or learn the value of work or money, and refuses to discipline their kids in fear of having them cry or - worse - being seen as "mean".  
The other set of parents backs up their warnings, makes their kids earn their keep, commands respect and doesn't give in to whining, sometimes at the cost of having their neighbours think that they are old-fashioned or perhaps "mean".  
Which kids do you think will become the better citizens? Will the kids raised by the first set of parents just stop their behaviour on their own volition? Probably not if the allowance keeps flowing in.

Sumwun said "    Damage Inc. said "never ceases to amaze me with the Mohawks is how they seem to have the attitude that they're above the law, can do as they please.   These Mohawk Supremacists can say & do what they please and if anyone dare say anything to the contrary, they dawn their handkerchiefs & start blocking roads, crying racism.     Bunch of thugs.     I hope their own people that they're doing this to start crying racism, since it seems that they're the only ones allowed to use that word. " Compare the children of two different types of parents.   One set of parents lets their kids talk back, throw tantrums, not do chores or learn the value of work or money, and refuses to discipline their kids in fear of having them cry or - worse - being seen as "mean".   The other set of parents backs up their warnings, makes their kids earn their keep, commands respect and doesn't give in to whining, sometimes at the cost of having their neighbours think that they are old-fashioned or perhaps "mean".   Which kids do you think will become the better citizens? Will the kids raised by the first set of parents just stop their behaviour on their own volition? Probably not if the allowance keeps flowing in. "

maybe the little brats need to be taken out to the wood shed once in a while.  
 
Spare the rod...

NEO said "How come this has not made more headlines? As a people that have been discriminated against, they should know that outright racism (especially in this day in age) is not acceptable.     "We are very concerned about protecting our identity because at a certain point, the Canadian government will look at us and say: 'You are not even Indians,'" Delaronde said. "We are very proud of our heritage and protective about it. We don't have a whole hell of a lot of it left. This is part of revitalizing the community."     Wasn't there a guy way back around WWII that had a "pure race" obsession???     If I was treaty I would burn my papers in disgust. "

Why has no one ever heard of the Zebra Murders, Anne Presley or Shannon Christian either? We need to save room in the headlines for important stuff like this:  
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2007/10/03/nb-stu-racism.html

after years of ppl telling the mohawks they can't have their lands etc, do u think they would want their status taken away? no one listened to them until they blocked the roads, i guess that's the type of unfair thinking that african americans got when they tried to gain their rights. unlike hitler, they're not killing ppl bc they're not mohawk, they know rights will be taken away from them if they have children with a non-native. it's not them who will lose it, but their children, and quite frankly in our society, their status is all they have! i'm not saying it's right for them to kick out ppl that intermarry, i'm native and my uncle married a white ukranian woman and i love her like she was my own blood. maybe the gov. should take that stupid rule out of their documents and there wouldn't be a problem with intermarrying.  
ppl always say ''natives get this, they get that for free'' but at what cost? our language? our culture? sure it's easy to say ''why can't u just pick up where u left off?'' but it's kind of hard when your children who are taught by society that what we want doesn't matter, that our culture is expendable. where else in history do u see a ppl having their culture almost completely stripped from them? nowhere!  
pick up a book or go to a native studies class and you would understand, but then again i guess ignorance is bliss!

who would want to live on a reserve any ways.... to me this is racism and is bull.. if we were to have anything that was for whites only we would be racists... Im not a racist what so ever all equal but what i also find odd is how they can wear there hats saying native pride and have decals on there cars stating this but if whites were to put white pride anywhere at all people would be on that like theres no tomorrow.

Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views.

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

and brandon prospered because the europeons got off their asses and did something besides complain.

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

It's not a matter of living on or off a reserve, its about "Status".  
 
My Gandmother lost her status because she married a non-native man. She died before Bill C-31 was enacted. Do they not remember Bill C-31?  
 
http://www.ammsa.com/classroom/CLASS1C-31.html  
 
As a grandchild I lost out on my families heritage and a beautiful culture, and have felt disconnected from my family in Hobbema as I grew up not knowing them.  
 
I feel for those who have to go through what my grandparents did.  
 
My Grandmother was Ermineskin, and I am proud to have those family roots!  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by Meshuu, 2010-02-05 07:48:21

Andrea StP said "after years of ppl telling the mohawks they can't have their lands etc, do u think they would want their status taken away? no one listened to them until they blocked the roads, i guess that's the type of unfair thinking that african americans got when they tried to gain their rights. unlike hitler, they're not killing ppl bc they're not mohawk, they know rights will be taken away from them if they have children with a non-native. it's not them who will lose it, but their children, and quite frankly in our society, their status is all they have! i'm not saying it's right for them to kick out ppl that intermarry, i'm native and my uncle married a white ukranian woman and i love her like she was my own blood. maybe the gov. should take that stupid rule out of their documents and there wouldn't be a problem with intermarrying.   ppl always say ''natives get this, they get that for free'' but at what cost? our language? our culture? sure it's easy to say ''why can't u just pick up where u left off?'' but it's kind of hard when your children who are taught by society that what we want doesn't matter, that our culture is expendable. where else in history do u see a ppl having their culture almost completely stripped from them? nowhere!   pick up a book or go to a native studies class and you would understand, but then again i guess ignorance is bliss! "

"but it's kind of hard when your children who are taught by society that what we want doesn't matter, that our culture is expendable. where else in history do u see a ppl having their culture almost completely stripped from them? nowhere!"  
Umm.....haha.....there are millions of people in Canada, the US, Australia and Europe who are going through this right now. Without their own TV network or national holidays, too.

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

Uninformed, you say?  
You realize, of course, that only a handful of tribes in Canada practiced agriculture before the evil Europeans arrived.  
"What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views"  
Haha...are you kidding me? No, no racism there.  
You're going to type that in English from inside a climate controlled residence in a settlement with electricity and running water on a computer and actually ask that question? Then get into your car and drive on paved streets, maybe hit up a university or a school, listen to some Beethoven on the radio, read some Shakespeare, fly to another country and look at some classical art.  
Yikes. The pot calls the kettle black.

take all the Mohawks from cities and non-reserves and put them back on the reserve? I wonder how that would go over

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

Yes, native peoples across Canada have been horribly mistreated, even in the very recent past. Yes, it is very important that they are able to maintain their culture and identity. What nobody can figure out is what connection there is between Mohawk culture and genetics. Unless skin color or breeding plays a central role in Mohawk culture the only explanation for this action is racism.  
 
As for nearly EVERYONE else. Somebody else's racism doesn't justify or vindicate your own.  

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

As a white person I am VERY proud of my grandparents and great grandparents for what they accomplished in 2 generations. They never forced anyone off the land. That was the government that handled that egg.

is a worthwhile endeavour, but this is not the way to do it.

Sumwun said " They've done it before.   The guy pretty much sums it up with this paragraph:   "We are very concerned about protecting our identity because at a certain point, the Canadian government will look at us and say: 'You are not even Indians,'" Delaronde said. "We are very proud of our heritage and protective about it."   What happens when they 'are not even Indians'? Goodbye meal ticket, goodbye endless roadblocks, goodbye huge smuggling operation that everyone knows goes on there yet do nothing about. It seems that heritage is secondary to status.   Pretty funny how they can ever cry "racism" when they pull stunts like this, too.       Edited by Sumwun, 2010-02-02 21:07:59"

goodbye meal ticket indeed.  
i cant believe that everything is so one sided!  
are non natives able to make natives leave? NO  
and if we tried to? nothing would happen. even if non natives said they wanted to keep their heritage pure or sacred or whatever.. why should natives be able to do whatever they want while the rest of us just bend over and take it the way life gives it to us.  
 
just my 2 cents

The English did the same to the Scottish and Irish. The Romans did it to the English and most of Europe.  
Genghis Khan did it to the east - China, modern day middle east and eastern Europe.  
The list can go on and on...  
 
So when you say 'where else in history do u see a ppl having their culture almost completely stripped from them? nowhere!' you obviously don't realise that natives are just the more recent people who will have to find a way to preserve their culture under the pressure of another. The difference now a days is that you can preserve your culture without the threat of being killed.  
 
History aside, this is simply a money issue. The Mohawks do not want to lose the money associated with the status card and therefore are acting in a way to ethnically cleanse their community of the half-breeds and the mixed marriages. Ethnic cleansing by any other name is still the same.  
 
Quite frankly, I think the money train should stop and all people (native and non-native alike) should take care of themselves building lives and futures ALL their children will be proud to emulate and preserve.  

AndieF said "    Sumwun said " They've done it before.   The guy pretty much sums it up with this paragraph:   "We are very concerned about protecting our identity because at a certain point, the Canadian government will look at us and say: 'You are not even Indians,'" Delaronde said. "We are very proud of our heritage and protective about it."   What happens when they 'are not even Indians'? Goodbye meal ticket, goodbye endless roadblocks, goodbye huge smuggling operation that everyone knows goes on there yet do nothing about. It seems that heritage is secondary to status.   Pretty funny how they can ever cry "racism" when they pull stunts like this, too.       Edited by Sumwun, 2010-02-02 21:07:59" goodbye meal ticket indeed.   i cant believe that everything is so one sided!   are non natives able to make natives leave? NO   and if we tried to? nothing would happen. even if non natives said they wanted to keep their heritage pure or sacred or whatever.. why should natives be able to do whatever they want while the rest of us just bend over and take it the way life gives it to us.     just my 2 cents "

If there was ever a motion like this with the roles reversed, you'd better believe something would happen. Protests, demonstrations, 'sensitivity training', likely stiff jail terms for those that initiated it, worldwide media condemnation. Pretty much what the world did to apartheid-era South Africa yet allows in the same country today. lol

that pretty much tops the cake for me! No wonder the world is constantly in chaos.

TylerL said "Do you even know anything about the history of Canada??? Natives did not want to be placed on reserves, Europeans came over and pressured Natives onto "Reserves", reserves because they were pieces of land that were "reserved", and useless to Natives, but were suitable for Natives because they were places where they would not be considered a problem. These lands were not suitable for farming and making a living. These lands today are not suitable even for basements. Natives did not CHOOSE to live on reserves, they were forced to live there. "all equal", there is no such thing as all equal. I know this happened hundreds of years ago but the land Natives were forced off of were the lands where large cities are located today. Would it be okay if Native people attempted to take over cities such as Winnipeg and Brandon??? And force the residents to move into Northern Manitoba onto land that is good for nothing. Natives wear Native Pride hats and put Native Pride on their cars because it is all they have, their pride. What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" if you are proud of that feel free to advertise it. Get educated on the subject before you post on hats, decals and your ignorant views. "

"What kind of pride do "white people" have, "YAY we forced people off their land" "  
 
I dunno, that we financially support a culture of people who feel we are the enemy because its the right thing to do?  
 
pretty proud of that